Why 80% of People Are Magnesium Deficient | Dr. Carolyn Dean

In this episode of The Integrative Continuum Podcast, Dr. Richard Rocker sits down with Dr. Carolyn Dean (MD, ND), a leading authority in magnesium therapy, mineral balance, and cellular health.
This conversation dives into one of the most overlooked foundations of modern health, nutrient deficiencies, and how they may be driving many of the chronic conditions we see today, from fatigue and brain fog to cardiovascular disease and metabolic dysfunction.
Dr. Dean shares decades of clinical insight, challenging conventional approaches that focus heavily on pharmaceutical solutions while often overlooking the body’s basic biochemical needs.
Together, they explore how magnesium plays a central role in energy production, nervous system regulation, and mitochondrial function, and why deficiency is far more common than most people realize.
The discussion also expands into:
• The connection between magnesium and energy (ATP production)
• Why standard blood tests often miss key deficiencies
• The role of vitamin C, minerals, and nutrient synergy in cardiovascular health
• The impact of sugar and yeast overgrowth on systemic inflammation
• Why simplifying your approach to health may be more effective than complex protocols
This episode is a powerful reminder that before we look for complex solutions, we must first address the fundamentals.
If you’re struggling with low energy, chronic symptoms, or simply want to better understand how the body truly functions at a cellular level, this conversation will give you a new perspective on what may be missing.

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SPEAKER_00 0:00

You've landed at the edge of what medicine has known and what it's becoming. I'm Dr. Richard Rocker, and this is the Integrative Continuum, a podcast bridging biology, energy, and human potential. In each episode, we explore how quantum biology, frequency medicine, and ancient healing systems are transforming our understanding of health. This is where mitochondria meets meaning, and blood work meets bioenergetics. Subscribe now and join me on the frontier of integrative healing, where science and soul are no longer separate. Welcome to the Integrative Continuum Podcast. I'm your host, Dr. Richard Rocker, Doctor of Integrative and Natural Medicine, and someone who has spent over three decades exploring the intersections between conventional medicine, functional medicine, and natural approaches to health. The goal of this podcast is to explore health from a broader perspective, bringing together experts, clinicians, and thinkers who are willing to ask deeper questions about how the human body truly works and how we can support it, restoring balance and resilience. As I always say, I follow the truth as I know it and as I continue to learn it. And that means remaining open to new ideas, new research, and the wisdom that can emerge when different approaches and disciplines come together. Today's guest is someone who has spent decades doing exactly that. Dr. Carolyn Dean is widely recognized as a leading figure in natural and integrative health, particularly for her pioneering work in magnesium therapy, mineral balance, and the role of micronutrients in cellular health. She holds the rare distinction of being both a medical doctor and a naturopathic doctor, giving her a unique perspective that bridges conventional and natural medicine. Dr. Dean is the author of more than 30 books and publications covering topics such as hormonal health, detoxification, yeast overgrowth, and the critical role minerals play in maintaining optimal health. She also hosts a weekly YouTube radio show where she continues to educate audiences on nutrition, mineral balance, and practical approaches to restoring health naturally. In 2015, she founded RNA Reset, a company dedicated to her vision of cellular renewal through mineral-based wellness. She is also the creator of REMAG, a propriety picoionic magnesium formulation designed for optimal absorption at the cellular level. Known for combining scientific insight with holistic understanding, Dr. Dean has become a trusted voice and longstanding advocate for addressing the root causes of illness, particularly in areas where conventional medicine often falls short. Today we'll be discussing magnesium, mineral balance, cellular health, and why some of the most chronic health issues may actually be rooted in something as fundamental and overlooked as nutrient deficiencies. Dr. Carolyn Dean, welcome to the Integrative Continuum Podcast.

SPEAKER_01 3:16

Thank you, Dr. Rocker. It's great to be with you. Both in our Canadian upbringing and our education and just letting our minds explore rather than go down the narrow path of allopathic medicine.

SPEAKER_00 3:35

Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, we we have some of the same stomping grounds, so that's uh that that's great. And uh yes, you know, the learning, it really never stops. And uh it's uh as long as I've been doing it, uh, there's always more to learn. And then you you realize, geez, I I thought I knew something, but maybe I don't know it as much as I thought I knew it. Yeah. Okay, so um, Dr. Carolyn, for those who may not know your work yet, could you briefly share your background and what you led you to studying magnesium so deeply?

SPEAKER_01 4:09

Right. Um, well, when I was in my teens, my now husband of whatever, 50 plus years, and I ran away from home from Nova Scotia, ended up on the West Coast, and instead of ever getting involved with the drug culture, I started going to all the health conventions that were being held back then with uh, who was it, Udor Erasmus, Jonathan Wright was there, Adele Davis, all the names. So I got all inspired. But when we came back to Nova Scotia, and I tried to tell people, well, you know, you should eat this and make your own bread and and take some bite. There wasn't even a health food store in Halifax, Nova Scotia. And people wouldn't listen to me. And so by this time I was in honored biology, and one day a couple of young guys, they were 19, I was like 24 or so, they came up to me and they said, Hey, did you get accepted? And I said, Well, I feel pretty accepted. What's up? They had just gotten into med school, and I was appalled. I marched over to the dean of medicine's office, because there was a med school at Dalhousie, and who was sitting in the assistant dean seat but my guidance counselor from high school, who had told me with my outstanding marks and vice president of the student council, I should be an executive secretary or a nurse. So I said, Miss Elliot, you know, you got some explaining to do. So within within the year I was in med school because I had all the prerequisites and everything. And I I never lost the the need to look at lifestyle and diet and all the rest of it, even though med school is very, I mean, it's very limiting and limited. A lot of people who I've known who've gone to med school with some idea that, look, I can do this and nutrition and that, they come out just brainwashed about the drug therapy. So that was my start when I went to Toronto for my internship. I I also started looking at naturopathy. And I did get my naturopathic degree after my medical degree. And I pretty much practiced naturopathic medicine, first do Naherm, all the rest of it. And um I d I developed such a following that uh I realized it was it was extremely important for people to understand that they had their own healing powers. All the things I learned in naturopathy, I could pass on to my patients. But it was interesting, Dr. Richard. It was a practice where half of the people were so sick. They I was their, we call it resort doctor. I was their last resort. Or they said, I want to stay healthy. I'm healthy now, but I can see the writing on the wall. So you develop kind of two lines of practice. So I guess that that's um Toronto. Then when I was doing um a special kind of experimental therapy using homeopathic acupuncture, herbal, uh, a whole it was a Chinese um modality run by an American doctor out of New York. And I was going to take a sabbatical. He said, Come down to New York. I'm doing a study on AIDS and chronic fatigue. And this was 1993. This was in the middle of the AIDS epidemic. And this my my mother said, Oh yeah, Carolyn's uh she's gone to New York and she's a missionary because it's New York, right? And that opened my eyes to every one of our AIDS and chronic fatigue patients had every infection. You know, they had antibodies to everything. So, okay, that's interesting. The it's like the immune system was so damaged in these people, they just picked up everything. And the more they displayed illness, the more drugs they got and the sicker they got. So that was huge. Also, that every one of them had yeast overgrowth. And that became, along with, as I'll explain about magnesium, along with magnesium, yeast overgrowth became something that I really looked for in all my patients because when you take antibiotics, eat a lot of sugar, have a lot of stress, the the normal buds of yeast in your large intestine, they get all excited because you've got this sugar, you've killed off all the good bacteria in the small intestine, they crawl up into the small intestine and cause all the damage that I think is what's being addressed now is leaky gut, but yeast is not being treated properly at all. And then with the magnesium, I guess I got so stressed out with doing the study, living in New York. I started to get help heart palpitations. I was doing morning TV in New York, and finally Random House asked me to write a book. I had gone to them actually. I was I was working with a Chinese uh medicine um priest, actually. He wasn't a doctor, he was this incredible um Taoist priest. And um I was taking his courses and and I said, You you should write a book on diet therapy. He was just amazing. So I went to Rand House with this proposal, and they said, Oh, we just signed someone for that book, but will you write a book on magnesium? And I thought, 300 pages, one mineral, forget it. But of course I said yes. And I started doing the research, and I realized I had every symptom of magnesium deficiency: twitchy eyes, headaches, choking on supplements, grinding teeth, heartburn, IBS, leg cramps, heart palpitations. So I ran out and got some uh a magnesium compound that was like 100 milligrams. I was taking 50 milligrams in a multiple. I immediately got the laxative effect. So I was in this terrible dilemma, knowing I had severe magnesium deficiency and I couldn't take the cure. So after the book was published, The Magnesium Miracle, I spent 10 years trying to interest a supplement company in researching and making a non-laxative magnesium. Wasn't happening. Finally, whoever, whatever synchronicity happened, I found a chemist who was working with stabilizing ions of minerals. And he, I I urged him, I pushed him, and he stabilized magnesium chloride into the magnesium ions and chloride ions. So we had a substance that was picometer in size, a stabilized ion that was absorbed into the cells because it's tiny enough. That's what the cells want is ions. So from not being able to take more than 50 milligrams, I was taking 1200 milligrams a day for over a year, and that got rid of all my symptoms. I mean, uh back then, I forget, I guess I was in my 50s. Now I'm coming on 77. I feel better now than I did in my 20s and Thursdays, 30s, because I had magnesium deficiency in my whole life. I was, you know, walking around on a tight rope, which is what a lot of people do. The muscles are affected, the nerves are affected. When you have proper magnesium and the balance of the magnesium with calcium, calcium will create an action in the nerves of the cells, but then magnesium opens the door to the cells, pulls up the calcium, so it'll stop the action. If you have so little magnesium, it won't pull out the calcium, the cells just excite themselves to death. Dr. Blaylock talked about that. He was he's a neuro neurosurgeon, and he wrote a book called um something ex cytotoxicity. So that's you know, where I got to, and then when I I wanted the companies to work with me to to market this magnesium called REMag, they wanted to make it so high priced so that everybody could make money off it. But I I wanted to charge half the price that they wanted, so I had to make my own company. So I went from um at that time almost being retired, I was in retirement age and I was here living in Maui. I had to form a company and create this whole world that is just so amazing. Anyway, so that's that's my story, and I'm sticking with it.

SPEAKER_00 13:57

Excellent. Excellent. So then So you trained as an MD and a naturopathic doctor, uh, which is very unique in it in itself. So how did that dual perspective shape your view of modern medicine?

SPEAKER_01 14:13

Well, I guess I went into medicine not being that keen on it. I knew right from the beginning that I was more interested in lifestyle and nutrients and exercise and sleep and sunlight. I we knew all that 50 years ago. More than that. So when I went into medicine, it was just, I want to learn what they know and counter it. I mean, I'm constantly doing that. I do that on my podcast every week. I'll I'll pick up on what either medical researchers doing or nutrition research and say they're they have no idea what they're talking about because they won't entertain nutrients. When they're talking about um heart disease, and they, well, you got to take a statin, and this is why, and this is why people think they have side effects from statins, and no, there really aren't any side effects. I mean, you see these papers, but what do we know about heart disease and cholesterol? We know that blood vessels are made with collagen. Collagen, uh, it's one-third of the protein in the body. It's really important. And what makes collagen? Vitamin C. If you don't have vitamin C to make collagen, your blood vessels get weak and they develop little tears. And what happens with that little tear? Cholesterol comes on along and acts like a band-aid on that tear to help it. And then if you have magnesium deficiency, you have relatively more calcium in your bloodstream, and the calcium is attracted to that cholesterol, and that's your atherosclerosis. So we've got a situation where people are vitamin C deficient and magnesium deficient. Vitamin C, our RDA in America is 90 milligrams, nine zero. What did Linus Pauling, two-time Nobel Prize winner, say? We need probably 10,000 milligrams because humans don't make their own vitamin C. The million different species in the animal kingdom, all of them but apes and bats and humans make their own vitamin C. So we are stuck. And if if we don't recognize that pretty soon, this epidemic of heart disease is just going to get worse and worse. You know, the studies that say, well, you know, with all this statin use, you'd think we'd have better results, but instead, you know, the heart disease has just gone right up on an angle. So it's and and then with the whole COVID business, we have so much more heart disease. So I'm I'm working on what Linus Pauline talked about, high dose vitamin C with lysine and proline. And those two amino acids, they work on how cholesterol is trying to take over from vitamin C. Now, this is an interesting business because um when we've been seeing that LDL cholesterol is not the bad guy, all of a sudden lipoprotein A is a bad guy. Lip little A, LPA in brackets. All the doctors are testing this now, and and it's because there are four drugs in the pipeline that'll treat LPA because statins don't treat LP little a. They they actually elevate it. And what LP little a seems to do is it acts like a clotter. It'll go on that little tear in the artery wall and put a clot there. And then the calcium will attach to the LP little A. So they're trying to, well, how can we kill LP little A? Let's kill it. Instead of saying, well, LP little A is acting like vitamin C is supposed to act and creating strong collagen and all and also act as a bit of a blood clotter. So I mean, it's it's so almost common sense to to us because we know about nutrients, whereas you try to say that this to an allopathic doctor, they won't have a clue because we didn't learn anything about nutrients in medical school. I say that all the time. And now it's interesting, um our um whatever commissioner of health and human services, who is our uh what uh what's his name? RFK Jr. Um he's uh mandated that 53 medical schools are gonna have to do 40 hours of nutrition training in med school. Now what are they gonna train? Are they gonna use the the what um uh what's his name, McCarey? He's the head of the FDA, and he says nutrition science is the most corrupted science of all. Because what did they do 50 years ago? They looked at the studies on sugar that said, oh, sugar's causing heart disease. Uh and they said, oh no, we can't have that. So they buried that research and said, no, no, it's um it's butter and and animal fats that are causing heart disease. And you know, they did that study. You've talked about it on your interviews, I've heard you, where they did the rabbit study, gave these poor rabbits who just eat green things, they gave them lab grade cholesterol and said, Oh, look what happened. They get atherosclerosis, cholesterol is bad. So, anyway, what um what we know about the the whole vitamin C business and sugar is that, and uh it'll be interesting if you have heard about this or know this information, insulin is a transporter protein for blood sugar glucose and vitamin C. So when you get a lot of blood sugar, you know, the diabetics or even, you know, taking a dessert that's 40 grams of vitamin C when your bloodstream can only handle one to one to two teaspoons. 40 grams is eight teaspoons. So when you get all that blood sugar trying to get into the cells, it'll jam up the insulin transporter protein and it won't allow vitamin C into the cells. And if you don't have vitamin C inside your cells to act as an antioxidant, all the business of metabolism, the Krebs cycle making energy, all that produces waste products that vitamin C and other antioxidants have to deal with. If you have too much sugar, you kill your vitamin C's ability and you get sicker and sicker. So that's where sugar is causing heart disease, because you don't have the vitamin C to make the collagen, to make strong arteries. Isn't that a cool subject?

SPEAKER_00 22:00

Yes, it is. And you're explaining it very well.

SPEAKER_03 22:04

No, thank you.

SPEAKER_00 22:06

So um so two two things popped up in my mind, and I'm sure is in the mind of a lot of listeners, and they go, okay, so we have magnesium, and uh I, you know, there's ten types of magnesium out there, then uh are they all the same? Are they different? Are are they beneficial for certain areas of the body or not? Or is it just about absorbing enough magnesium and it doesn't matter what type?

SPEAKER_01 22:33

Right. It's it's all about the magnesium. So it's become a big marketing game where the magnesium compounds they'll have magnesium chloride or citrate or glycin glycinate from glycine or orate. So it's a compound. But the amount of magnesium on these compounds, I've got it in in my books, you take 500 milligrams of a magnesium compound, you're lucky to get 75 milligrams of magnesium, and the rest of it, the 425 milligrams, is the other part of the compound. And when people say, well, you know, the taurine of magnesium, taurate that's going to do this and that. But if you're trying to treat magnesium deficiency, you want a magnesium ion. Now, these compounds in the bloodstream, they're in a liquid, and in a liquid, a magnesium compound will disassociate into its two parts. It's just chemistry. And it'll disassociate for a fraction of a second, especially with magnesium because it is so hyperactive. Magnesium is used as uh an explosion, uh well, they're used in fireworks. You know, they they're explosive. I I remember that in chemistry class we had a strip of magnesium. You'd light a Bunsen bite burner. Oh, we had fun with that growing up. So magnesium ions are what you want, they're only formed in a fraction of a second when there's disassociation. Now, when you have, you know, a trillion magnesium compound molecules, yeah, you're going you are going to get absorption. And I will always say that even magnesium oxide, which is 4% absorbed into the bloodstream, they don't even measure it in the in the cells, 4% absorbed into the bloodstream, it will still have positive effects and even in the brain. The compound will disassociate. Some of those ions are going to jump right into the cells. But with something like my chemist made, it is uh it's fully absorbed. If you say 100%, you know, you have to prove that. So I'll just say um a magnesium stabilized ion is fully absorbed. And we've done this in um in university studies and in Purdue. We did um human studies where we just gave people 300 milligrams of the RE-MAG, and within two hours, their blood ionized magnesium levels were elevated compared with pre-testing. So that means those ions are stable in the blood, they can be measured, and you know they're going to be going into the cells, and that was huge. Uh, but we're not allowed to say too much about that because we're implying that you know our magnesium is uh uh a drug.

SPEAKER_03 25:48

Right.

SPEAKER_01 25:49

And then with uh with the liquid itself, you put eight, sixteen ounces in um glass Erlemaier flask. I've done a lot of lab work, and you run a laser through it and it to measure the size of the material substance in the in the water, because there's always dissolved solids in in any sort of water. And that laser shone right through the liquid. It scanned it up and down, and there's almost nothing of substance in there, which means it's picometer size, it's below below substance size. So that was awesome to know that. So it's um it's a marketing ploy to say, oh well, this magnesium has 12 minerals, 12 different magnesium minerals. It must be fantastic. But no, the it just gives the body more work having to disassociate everything. Try to gather up some of those ions. But um what I often say at the end of an interview is look, just look, go to your your cupboard. You have magnesium in there, just start taking it, whatever it is, spread it out through the day. Don't take it all at once, and that or that can cause a laxative effect. And when you're you're done finishing up what you've got in your cupboard, then try mine and you see how much better you feel.

SPEAKER_00 27:22

Yeah, that's that's the true test, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:26

So okay, so then you mentioned also vitamin C, and the same thing as magnesium. There are there seem to be different classes of vitamin C. You'll have your standard ascorbic acid, and then you can get raw food base, and then you can get, let's say, a magnesium ascorbate, so is uh, or or different uh sodium so forth. Again, so with the vitamin C, is there a type that works better? And how would somebody approach the the comet? Well, uh, it has a lot of oxalates.

SPEAKER_01 28:00

So I used to be a pro-whole food vitamin C person. I thought, ascorbic acid, you know, what are they they're making it out of coal tar? What's going on? Until um in the COVID years on my podcast, I had half a dozen vitamin C experts on the show. Um, people who use I IV vitamin C ascorbic acid. Because you can't put an organic food substance in your bloodstream. It has to be of the chemical nature. And they convinced me, and and my research since convinced me that look, if you can put 50,000 milligrams of uh vitamin C ascorbic acid in an intravenous and get rid of uh you know a hundred different health conditions, then you know, we've got something there. And when you look at um ascorbic acid, the the sources of it can be corn, sagopalm. They are not coal tarivatives, so that was good to know. Um corn you have to avoid because it's GMO, in my opinion. So there are natural sources of chemically making ascorbic acid from sugar, and there's our sugar um ascorbic acid association because actually, if you look at the molecular structure, uh sugar, uh sucrose and um or glucose, sorry, and vitamin ascorbic acid, they are so similar, which oh my gosh, you know, again the circle unites. So when I realized that about the the viruses that they they require high dose vitamin C, all these people, you know, uh sorry, these practitioners using intravenous vitamin C successfully for decades and decades, it being ignored and pushed aside. And then I said, okay, let me study Linus Pauline. And I came across a book called Practicing Medicine Without a License by Owen Fornereau. And he talked about all the Linus Pauline research and the including the lysine and proline. And I thought, okay, then this is another suppressed treatment that we really have to open up to. And with the the oxalate business, um, I addressed that. Actually, I've just finished writing a vitamin C book, uh, another book. And it's it's fascinating. Uh when you put yourself to write a book and you have to gather the research, it it just it keep it keeps the mind active for one thing. But you learn so much that's um, as I said, been suppressed. So this oxalate business is not true. I I won't go into the details, but it it's um I think the only thing that you really have to look at with vitamin C is the uh is it GP6 um genetic abnormality. There's a condition where uh vitamin C ascorbic acid is not metabolized as fast as it should be, but um you'll see that as the only real side effect or uh problem with intravenous vitamin C, which is crazy. When you look at any sort of other drug like remdesivir, I looked up, well, um how does remdesivir help viruses? Oh, actually, it really is bad and it causes a lot of uh side effects. And you look at the studies on remdesivir, thousands of studies over the COVID years. You look at intravenous vitamin C, how many studies? A handful. So we're in a a situation where, yeah, nutrition research is corrupted by the research being focused to drug therapies, being funded by drug companies. The only um nutrition, not only, but nutrition research is mainly funded by um dietary supplement companies, and they will favor their product. I don't know where there's any genuine um nutrition research ongoing. And even let me just jump to, because it came to mind the ultra-processed food studies. There was a Dr. Hill, he put, I think, 20 people in a in an enclosed environment for a couple of months and fed one group ultra-processed food and the other group the standard American diet, which is a sad diet itself. And then at the end they found out, oh, look, the ultra-processed food people, they ate 500 more calories a day than the other diet, and they gained weight. Isn't what's we'll have to do another study to figure that out. No, what happens on an ultra-processed food diet is the body is seeking nutrients. It's just trying so hard to squeeze anything it can out of your food to make your biochemistry work. And they just they just kept eating because they didn't get the nutrients. Now, when I brought this up at a conference, a nutrition conference, just a few years ago, they almost laughed me off the floor. They just don't, they don't understand how nutrition nutrients work. Magnesium is required in 80% of known metabolic functions and either 600 to 800 enzyme processes, and they keep just saying, oh, there's about 300, 325 processes that's required by uh that requires magnesium. Not true, it's just exploded. So you ignore nutrients at your peril.

SPEAKER_00 34:30

Yes, yeah, yeah. And so you you you just mentioned it's it's involved in hundreds and if not maybe even thousands of processes, and I know you you have it in your wonderful book uh here, um which I have in my hand here, the the magnesium, the missing link to total health. And so wh why do you think it's so overlooked then?

SPEAKER_01 34:55

Magnesium?

SPEAKER_00 34:56

Yeah, like uh we're we're where we're suggesting that magnesium may be involved in hundreds of biochemical processes. So why is it so overlooked in in in standard medicine?

SPEAKER_01 35:07

Well, they don't teach it in med school. I think I was lucky in my med training, our um dean of medicine was a biochemist. So he made us he made us sit through 400 hours of biochemistry. And I saw the Krebs cycle, and they did have the cofactors, and I was already tuned into nutrition. So you don't learn it ever, ever in medicine. In blood testing, because they just go for the serum magnesium blood test. Um, so they they you know put the dipstick in your vein, and only one percent of the total body magnesium is in your in your bloodstream. So they're not getting an accurate value. And what happens there is that there's such a narrow range of serum magnesium, it's like one unit of range. Because it is so important, if if in the human body your blood magnesium goes below that range, the body goes into hyperdrive, and the the biofeedback kicks in to alert the muscles and the bones. Oh, the blood needs magnesium, and it quickly puts it into the bloodstream. So it always stays in that range unless you're so low. So doctors actually get to the point of saying, well, magnesium's always the same, it's never a problem, it's always, you know, in the in the range. So they stopped testing it, or they never did. So anybody can look at their electrolyte panel, and what did they see? Calcium, potassium, sodium, chloride, no magnesium. So if you don't test it, it doesn't exist. Then there's um dietary magnesium. A hundred years ago, we were getting 500 milligrams of magnesium in our diets. Now we're lucky to get 200. So you've got all these forces working against us, even looking at magnesium. And yet, uh in the book you just held up, and my copy is going to be backwards. Uh I listed like 68 different medical conditions that are actually magnesium deficiency, but they are treated with drugs which actually make the person more magnesium deficient. Now that that is horrifying.

SPEAKER_00 37:43

Yeah, yeah. And so if we were if we were maybe to put a number or percentage, how widespread do you think magnesium deficiency is today?

SPEAKER_01 37:53

I'd say it was 80%.

SPEAKER_00 37:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:56

I yeah, I really do think so. Even in um some of the st statistics I put in my books is that um way back in the day, about 70% of people were thought to have less than the RDA of magnesium, which is low. They say it's like 300 to 400 milligrams. I think people need 600. I'm taking about 450 to 500 milligrams. Whereas, as I mentioned earlier, I had to have 1200 milligrams to get saturated. And then there came a point where I didn't have any magnesium deficiency symptoms, and I started to get a bit of the laxative effect. And I thought, okay, let me cut back. So all I need, or yeah, all I need to to stay magnesium saturated is 450 milligrams. And if if I'm under extra stretch or whatever, I'll take a little more. And if I take a little too much, then I might get a bit of a tiny bit of a laxative effect. And they say, oh, okay, pull back. When we moved here to Maui, I started exercising more, swimming and everything, and I was getting more cramping and whatever, and I needed more magnesium. And it's interesting, um, if I get a quart of yogurt and eat it over a couple of days, I might get a little heart thump or um Charlie Horse leg cramp. And that's because I'm I'm eating more calcium and I need magnesium to balance it out. I think uh in America, I think we need 600 milligrams of each uh in general. Whereas we're told to take 1,200 to 1,500 milligrams of calcium and 400 milligrams of magnesium. So we're becoming calcified. They've done um New Zealand uh Dr. Boland, he's done a half a dozen studies showing that women simply taking calcium supplements are causing increased heart disease because of calcification and uh heel spurs, breast tissue calcification, that silly DCIS pre-pre-cancer diagnosis they've given women to scare them to death. That's breast tissue calcification, heel spurs, gallstones, kidney stones. So all these um supplements that doctors get so involved with taking calcium supplements a couple decades ago, it's worked against us.

SPEAKER_00 40:40

Yeah, absolutely. Um I I see that uh all the time with my patients as well, and especially when somebody has uh, you know, signs of osteoporosis and that, and I go, Well, what did the doctor tell you or give you? Oh, they give me some calcium, and I'm like, right, so then I go through the same process which you just talked about there, and looking at the synergistic value, we need to have the magnesium to push it in, and then we also need to have enough vitamin D as well if we want to absorb our minerals, and you just can't have the D by itself. You need to have the the retinol form of A to absorb properly, and I think sometimes we get lost in this when we when there is so many people arguing about diet types out there, and we sometimes we just need to look at some of the biochemical processes to see does this really make sense? Right?

SPEAKER_01 41:29

Right, and and vitamin D requires magnesium to activate it. All these vitamin D studies, when they don't take into account magnesium, they're the results are suspect. So, yeah, that's where I got to the point of saying, well, what what does a body need? Of course they start with magnesium because it's personal to me. And that's how a lot of alternative medicine doctors got in the got in the world of alternatives. And I was lucky that from day one I was doing alternative medicine. I was so fortunate. I mean, how many doctors have you heard, yeah, you know, I was killing too many people, so I thought I better I better figure out what's really going on. So I start with magnesium, and then I mean this is how it happened. I said, well, maybe I'll have to get a stabilized mineral ion complex. So I started researching the minerals I wanted. I mean, I knew from my naturopathic training, but in in looking at the details, nine of the 12 minerals I put in my remite multiple support thyroid hormone production. So all of a sudden, here I am on 60 milligrams of armor thyroid. I take my remite as we're putting it out in and you know, testing it. Six weeks into taking my remites, just uh a teaspoon and a half a day, my hands were warm. My uh I was starting to get more hyperactive than than normal. And I said, Oh my gosh, you know, my thyroid is kicked in. So against medical advice, I stopped my armor thyroid. And I've been fine ever since, you know, warm hands and feet and all the rest of this. So that was a huge breakthrough. And I was working on um B vitamins. Now I've always been keen on methylated Bs, even before they um 23 and me decided so many people had the uh MTHFR uh genetic variation. That's because we we don't have methylated bees. But anyway, that's a big whole story. So I did the methylated bees and food based bees, four methylated, for food based. And then I I put in taurine and methionine. Those are Sulfur-based amino acids. So you've got your methylation detox going for you for liver detox. You've got your sulfation detox for liver sulfation. So to me, it was a nervous system with the B nervous system formula, plus a gentle detox. Because you know how crazy people are on detox. Oh, I did a weekend detox, flushed out everything. And then they get worse. Right. So there, there's the, you know, the top three. And then I worked with the whole whole food, vitamin C, and uh vitamin C ascorbic acid powder. I made it into a berry, uh, berry formula, berry taste to help with the taste of the minerals. And then of course I had to have the vitamin D3 and K2. K2 is necessary to transport or direct calcium into the bones. Omega-3, I didn't want to use fish oil because it's so contaminated. They have to send the livers of these poor fish into some facility in Norway or Sweden or Denmark going through horrific detoxing. They're throwing solvents and chemicals at this liver to take out all the chemicals and the heavy metals and mercury. And what are you left with? Well, it passes the test, but how much trace um chemicals even from the testing are left? So I said no. And also, so much of the um omega-3 is now krill. I live in Maui. We we the whales come down, the hunchback well, humpback whales come from Alaska, and their food up in Alaska is krill. Now I'm sure the krill population is gonna, I mean, it's never gonna die, right? Fish populations don't die off, do they? Yes, they do. And so I use uh omega-3 algae. Algae that's pure and safe or whatever. Algae is what the fish eat to make omega-3 in their livers. So I use algae, and I also put in the vitamin A you talked about that's necessary for the vitamin D to work and um vitamin E. So I put that all in this fatty layer that helps the absorption of all of it. And then there's picosilver. I decided we have to have a natural antibiotic, and the colloidal silver really worried me because it's a collo, it's a silver compound. And there's been rare, rare, rare, rare cases of the the silver depositing in the skin turning people blue. And when you see that guy once, it's like it scares you. I saw him at a conference once. So a picometer size stabilized uh ion of silver, you can use uh a lower parts per million, and it is phenomenal what that can do for people. The antiviral antifungal, I use it in my antifungal formula. There's the the picosilver and something called flora revive because I've had yeast my whole life, you know, mercury fillings, immunizations, birth control pill, you name it. So I finally said I have to do a daily antifungal because I'm not going to stop my fruit and this and that. So I work with Saccharomyces burlardi. It's a natural yeast and it's been used to treat childhood diarrhea. So it's got an excellent safety profile. So I use that with humic fulvic and inulin. And those two have transformed the whole yeast overgrowth uh scene. People uh aren't I I spent 10 years avoiding sugar. Back then it was just sugar wheat and dairy. Now we say sugar gluten and dairy, because if you can get people off uh the uh allergic dairy proteins and sugar lactose and off the gluten from several grains, you can really help their health, even if they don't have yeast. So I think that I mean with um with just that handful of well-absorbed basic nutrients, I think people can deal with at least 90% of what they're going through, and 90% of people can benefit. And and it's after that you you go for the million-dollar workup and all the rest of it. Because if if you even go for food testing before your body has its basic nutrients, you'll be allergic to everything because you've got a leaky gut, you haven't gotten rid of your yeast. All these things are so confusing to people when they get all this testing when they they're so depleted. You're you're getting the results of depletion, not of true problems.

SPEAKER_00 49:25

Yeah, absolutely. You're you're getting people in their in their survival mode, their fight or flight states, and uh everything is going to be exacerbated, inflammatory markers, antibody markers, and uh and until we deal with those stressors, we don't really get rid of the problems, do we?

SPEAKER_01 49:43

Mm-mm. Mm-mm. Yeah, and what's happened uh uh just recently I did a six-month study here, took ten people, put them on six of my products for six months, and did before and after epigenetic testing, you know, all the methylation factors that they have something uh the lab is called True Diagnostic, and they have a true health and a true age. And I'm just going through the reports now, and it's it is amazing. The the symptom relief matches what the blood is looking like. The blood is improving, they're improving. So it's something that I'll be able to offer offer to practitioners to say, well, this is what we we hope for, and this is what we expect. And it's that type of nutrition testing that I'm interested in. Instead of them, they look at the you know the the most active ingredient of a certain herb, and they'll do a study just on that and say, oh, this is what you need. So this this is where many of us back in the day ended up with a hundred bottles of of herbs and vitamins and minerals in our cupboard, thinking, oh my gosh, I gotta take all this stuff, and you don't. I'm here to tell you, you don't.

SPEAKER_00 51:13

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Um just one or two more things about magnesium. So you mentioned earlier that um about the whole cardiovascular system and and how how it uh magnesium deficiency can affect that. But we also have a lot about stress physiology and adrenal function. And I think a lot of people are aware of adrenal function or adrenal fatigue or or something along those lines. So, how does magnesium play into perhaps down regulating that kind of whole stress physiology?

SPEAKER_01 51:49

Yes, the whole hypothalamus pituitary adrenal access is modified by magnesium. And when you look at um uh adrenal health in allopathic medicine, they wait until your adrenals collapse. They won't even recognize uh adrenal deficiency or weakness because they have no treatment for it. So, what I've seen over the years is uh magnesium, the B vitamins, vitamin C, and salt are what will support the adrenal glands. And the salt has to be a sea salt that has some color to it. If you're working with a white sea salt, it's been processed and it's removed the minerals because minerals have color. So the the adrenals, you know, we get the we get the anxiety, we get the the strain and everything, but I think when you look at any of these hormones, you have to look at them uh in total. You have to look at thyroid adrenal, sex hormones, and the pancreas. It used to be a three-legged stool and now it's a table, because you really have to look at insulin, insulin resistance, sugars, all that. When the thyroid gets kind of burnt out, and it it will happen in women when they're giving their thyroid hormone to the to the fetus, the drainage from a pregnant woman is is uh measurable. That's why after every pregnancy, a doctor will take thyroid hormones. Oh, your thyroid's off. Oh, we have to give you thyroid hormone replacement. Well, that's where remite with its nine thyroid minerals comes into play. No, you you use it during the pregnancy so you don't disrupt your thyroid. You have a woman who's had several pregnancies, they have hypothyroidism. So when the thyroid is low, you have to push your adrenals for your energy. You push your adrenals and that shoots out energy to get you going. You're drinking coffee to give you give yourself some energy. But what we know about magnesium is it works in the mitochondria in the Krebs cycle. Now, what are we talking about more than anything these this past few years? Mitochondrial health. Mitochondria are your energy factories caused by the the Krebs cycle. It takes its pyruvic acid from the glycolysis cycle, glycolysis cycle, eight of the ten steps use magnesium, Krebs cycle. Most of the steps use magnesium, ATP adenosin triphosphate energy, it's really Mg-ATP. Everybody says so. You can't have ATP without magnesium. How many mitochondria are in the heart? 5,000 in each heart muscle cell. How many in the muscles? 2,000. Most of the cells, 1 to 2,000. How many mitochondria are in neurons, brain neurons? There's 2 million mitochondria in each brain neuron. So that's where our Alzheimer's and dementia are coming from is magnesium deficiency, not uh not enough magnesium to make the energy in your brain uh even measurable. Isn't that incredible?

SPEAKER_03 55:38

Absolutely incredible, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:39

Yeah, yeah. So the adrenals, the you know, mitochondria, all that, all of them work together. But what I'm saying, the B vit my B vitamin amino acid is called realign. So I'm telling people realign, remeg, um the sea salt, and the vitamin C, high dose vitamin C. But but I never bl I people will call up the or call into the podcast or whatever, however they get there. And uh they'll say, well, what can I use for this disease? And they want me to say one or two things like I would a drug, and I'll just list off six things. Oh, you need this, you need your your uh vitamin D and your omega-3s to make strong cell membranes. You you need it all. You you don't just treat these nutrients as if they're a drug. But then again, I can say to people, just start with start with the remac. When you get saturated with enough magnesium, then you'll know what's left over, what you have to deal with. With heart disease, I've written uh a book on heart health and it focuses on atrial fibrillation because I think that can be a magnesium deficiency. But there's also potassium. So if someone uses our RE-MAG for a while, well, you know, not quite perfect. Oh yeah, pico potassium. We have a potassium, and then boom. Or um with the immune system, this is how this is how incredible magnesium is. After about three or three months or so, we'll get customers calling into my human customer service and say, oh my gosh, you know, I was feeling so good, I was sleeping and all this, and now uh my stomach is upset and I have a coated tongue and I'm itchy here and there. Oh, your immune system is strong enough now to fight your yeast overgrowth. Here, take our yeast treatment and keep doing what you're doing. So that's what's awesome is the the RE-MAG uh magnesium does so much that it will get your immune system working. It will, it will help the body work in the priorities. I mean, you know that from homeopathy, that the body will take a nutrient or homeopathic remedy and and work what's most important to the body's priorities. It's amazing. And yeah, I study homeopathy when I in my naturopathic training and I was doing, you know, kind of post-grad courses, but it just gets so weird where uh our teacher would take any remedy and say it could do everything. And I just freaked out. I said, no, that's that's not specific enough. And and also, you know, when people, the stress they're under, the coffee drinking and everything, I thought, you know, the remedies really aren't working as well as I think they should. So I gradually just developed this whole theory that give your give your body the building blocks, it will sort them out, and it will take care of so many things. You you'll just be be very surprised.

SPEAKER_00 59:11

Yeah, yeah. The body is uh an apate an amazing piece of biological machinery. If we just give it the right tools, it it will sort itself out, yeah. Yeah. Now you mentioned you mentioned a few times about uh yeast and sugar, and you have another great book um which I happen to have here, exposing sugar toxicity. And um and in there you've also described candida overgrowth as a hidden epidemic. So I think people have heard of uh candida, but what exactly is candida overgrowth and why do you think it's so common today?

SPEAKER_01 59:48

Right. Yeah, I I hinted at that earlier. So yeast um live normally in our large intestine, they have a function of taking whatever nutrient foods remain once it gets into the large intestine. They kind of chew up the those foods and they they have functions to uh kind of like the molds and yeasts and mildew in in the environment. You know, when a tree falls or something dies, mold and mildew yeast eat it up and they get rid of it. If we didn't have a that sort of waste uh removal system, the forest would, you know, would be up to the sky because it's not breaking down. So there's something to be said for yeast having a function in the large intestine. In our society, eating so much sugar, I mean a hundred years ago we'd have 20 pounds of sugar a year, and now we'll we'll have a couple hundred pounds. And and we'll also add on all the stupid synthetic sugars and sweeteners. So we were feeding yeast with sugar. They love sugar. We take antibiotics to kill off good and bad bacteria, and there they'll even say one dose of or one quart of antibiotics years ago can still be having an effect on your intestines, or there'll be a an ongoing effect. Uh, but many people take lots of antibiotics. Then there's steroids. It used to be, oh, steroids are wonderful, they'll treat arthritis, and then, uh-oh, no, steroids are bad. So they stopped using steroids. Now we're back into oh, steroids are good business. It's incredible. They used a lot of steroids over the COVID years. So we've got the and and then it's not just sugar diet, it's a simple carbohydrate diet, constantly feeding yeast. So the budding yeast, little circly buds in the large intestine, when when they sort of sense food up in the small intestine and a vacuum caused by killing off good and bad bacteria, they will trudge up into the small intestine and they're changing into a thread-like state called a mycelium. And as far as I've learned, the mycelium will poke holes in the small intestine, causing leaky gut through which are absorbed up to 78 different yeast toxins. And some of those toxins, there's alcohol. People who get um pulled over for drunk driving, they they fail the breathalyzer. It can be from sugar overload and feeding yeast, and the yeast produce alcohol. They also produce aldehydes. There's a a chemical they produce called zymogen, which uh mimics psoriasis to a lot of skin rashes with uh yeast overgrowth. So you've got this flood of yeast toxins, which can uh cross-react with the thyroid, causing hypothyroidism, enter the brain, causing brain fog, go in the joints, causing joint problems. I mean, it's head-to-toe symptoms that these toxins create, cause. It is not a yeast infection in your brain or your joints, it's yeast toxins. So having lived with yeast, you know, um from my teens on, I was very focused on yeast overgrowth. And actually, um uh what's his name? The the doctor who wrote the yeast connection. Um, he came up to Toronto back in 1986, and he was on a 90-minute television show with me and another doctor. What's his name? Do you know who I'm talking about? The East Connection?

SPEAKER_00 1:03:48

I do, and it's escaping me as well, because I I know I have it, a copy of it.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:54

Yeah, yes. So let's try to visualize it. So, anyway, we had this long show, hour and a half call-in TV show, and it it was admittedly there was a snowfall that night, and a lot of people were home watching TV, and 80,000 people called into that show. I got a letter saying this is what your show produced. So I and I was working with yeast, that's why I got on the show, and I thought, man, this is a huge problem. And it's never really been addressed because allopathic medicine will just say, Oh, well, here's this drug for yeast, but they won't go into diet. And also with uh alternative medicine doctors, like I did, they just say, Oh, you have to be really strict on the diet, you have to rotate these herbs, you have to do uh it's like jumping through hoops. And um, that's where I say I just I work with the Pico Silver and my flora revive, and tell people just to be moderate about their diet. Uh, I start with three weeks going off the sugar, gluten, and dairy, and then and then test yourself. You can be your N equals one experiment. N just refers to the number of people in an experiment. And you don't just be an anecdote, be an N equal one experiment and prove for yourself that, oh yeah, I stopped sugar for a week and then I had a whole bunch of it, and I got mucusy, I start coming down with a cold, I got a sore throat, I got a headache. Okay, well, there's your there's your experiment, experimental result. And then it's up to you if you want to experience those symptoms again. Most people do. Most people go through it and say, Oh, yeah, that's sugar. I just did the experiment again. And that's okay, but at least you you know what you're up against. And it does get most people to cut back on their sugars. So is that enough about yeast overgrowth?

SPEAKER_00 1:06:00

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I I think that's good. I think I think uh people get the idea that uh sugar and uh I I suppose we could put in high glycemic foods, the overconsumption of them, that would uh that would have the same effect. I think a lot of people believe just because a food is uh a natural whole food that they can uh eat unlimited amounts, uh, but that's not really the case, is it?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:25

Right, no. No, and you know, you look at the athletes, they're talking about the car bloating they do and and whether that benefits or not. And they keep doing studies. Well, actually, carbloating isn't good. Maybe we shouldn't do that. It's just up and down and up and down. You have to experiment with what's good for you because a lot of the science is really biased. We have now the the carnivore scientists who are saying, well, yeah, we get a lot of high levels of cholesterol, but that's okay. Don't worry about it. And which I uh I tend to agree. I don't believe that cholesterol is the problem, but it it's interesting watching them in real time uh defend the defend uh something that a lot of people think is indefensible.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:17

So I agree, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:19

Yeah, keep your eyes open.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:21

Yeah, exactly. So okay, so if we slowly start winding down here. So what are what are some of the first steps people can take to start improving their metabolic health?

SPEAKER_01 1:07:33

It would be avoiding refined foods. It really would the food, not that food is gonna cure you. We've that ship has sailed. We're we're under so much stress, et cetera, et cetera. We do need nutrients. But what I did here in in Maui with my company, um you know, not all the profits, I have to turn the profits back into the company, but some of that I put into totally supporting an organic biodynamic farm. It's a hundred acres, we're just doing gangbusters. But organic farming is not being supported. We we really have to reach out to our local farmers and and help them out. The banks won't lend money to uh to a business that could go bankrupt because it's a terrible business. It's so hard. Anyway, look at your food supply and and get to know your local organic farmers. So food is first, second, water. And what I tell people I used to say um uh take your body weight in pounds and then divide that in in half and drink that many ounces of water. So if you're a hundred pounds, cut in half 50, 50 ounces of water. Now, most people aren't going to be able to drink that much, but you know, try to get close. And in each liter of pure, some sort of pure drinking water, put a quarter teaspoon of a good sea salt. So there's your food and your water started off. And then you have to exercise. Morning sunlight is important, and the more I look at mitochondria, the sunlight in your eyes in the morning will help to to spring open your mitochondria. It's quite amazing.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:32

A lot of the allopathic um mitochondrial research now, they they don't have a drug for it and they don't know anything about magnesium. So they're all saying, oh yes, sunlight and exercise and uh a good diet. So they're they're forced to come to our level because there are no drugs for mitochondria. So sunlight, exercise, absolutely exercise. You've got to keep everything moving to move your lymphatics, and then the nutrients. And like I said, open your your cupboard, pull out the magnesium, finish off that bottle, and then you can get my my remack. And if if you join um the email service of my customer service, I think then they'll start telling you, okay, time to time to do your remite and your realign and and just get on board with just the basics and try not to get distracted with the clickbait of the hundred nutrients that you need. I mean, you look at some of these sites and they are selling a hundred formulas. And also, I'm I'm sure you can um use it from from Ireland where you are, anywhere in the world, there's a a company now called SUPCO, SUPPCO. And SUPP.co website, you can actually put in the name of the nutrient you're taking and get a trust score. And that score is based on 29 different factors that make a good supplement. Like, is it third-party tested? Is it organic? Does it have doctor support or approved? 29 points. Now we joined up a while back, and it turns out our subcourse score out of 10 is some zero to 10, 10 is the highest. Our sub course course score for the whole product line is 9.25. We're in the top echelon of supplements, and we're a small company, but we've we've done it right all along. Our RE-MAG 9.75. So what you want is a trustworthy uh formula. It's not gonna give you the efficacy, but the efficacy of of my formulas prove out when you take them. But isn't that cool that they've got uh this scoring system? It I I look up all the top brands and they're they're like six, six point two five. Oh my gosh, you know, who wants to do that when you can get a nine?

SPEAKER_00 1:12:23

Exactly, yeah. Yeah. Well that's fantastic. And and you know, and that's a testament to the work that you do, that that high score, and and you yourself, you know, um, you know, you said you're you're you're approaching 77, um, and I think what you're doing speaks volumes. When you look at health practitioners, and if they don't look like a picture of a health, I always I always wonder. You know, and and there are there are some people out there, I I look at them, I'm going, geez, maybe you should follow your own advice. And I think you really do that. Um you you look great, your mind is sharp, and and that's that's fantastic. And um and personally, I like to thank you as well because geez, over the years, so many things that I speak to my patients, I I've gotten from your books and your works, and uh, and it's all been very extremely beneficial for for all those people, yes. So that's great.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:19

Thank you so much. Thank you. Yes, it yeah, it's um when you have sort of a um template that you've proven over the years works, it's just it's so it relieves the mind of. I mean, remember when we were young and we were going to this conference and that conference. I remember, you know, there was some endocrine um workshop I went to, and they said, Well, you m measure 20 different points, measure with a measuring tape, 20 different points in the body, and it tells the endocrine about I mean the things that I studied and went through, and now I've I have simplified it. I've gone through all that. I call myself the original biohacker, but now I have solutions, so I don't have to hack anymore.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:12

Excellent. Excellent. Yeah, yeah. And we're gonna yeah, we're gonna look into some of your products as well because uh I want I want to try them out and and feel though down. So um now you have uh you have a you have some of your products, you've got many books in that. Um uh is there particular main site that people can can get a hold of you?

SPEAKER_01 1:14:36

Sure. My educational site is drcarolindean.com in podcasts, uh blogs, webinars, uh, everything laid out. Um my store site is r andarreset.com. And uh we also have a pet uh a pet formula um, I guess, brand, I could say. And we're having great results with the little pets. A lot of uh aging pets are so deficient in their minerals that they really respond to getting the right amount. We we had to make pet formulas because uh they there's a dosage schedule for pets that you have to follow. And that, you know, it some people, well, can I give them my adult formula? Well, you you have to give just the right amount. So we had to go through all that business of creating a whole other brand. But it it is fun. Yeah, Dr. Richard, I on each of the bottles in the pet formula, we have um a dog or a cat from one of our staff. It's so cute.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:45

Ah, excellent.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:47

So that's the two sites, and then I'm everywhere, you know, YouTube, X, uh, Instagram, all over.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:53

Yeah, yeah, there's a wealth of information there, and I really encourage the the listeners, um, whether they're uh whether they're just uh people listening around, or we have uh we have some clinicians that listen in as well. Um, it's definitely a great resource of information. We'll make sure that we put all of that in the show notes as well for people to make it easy so they can just uh click and uh and and hop to that there. So um, Dr. Carolyn Dean, I'd like to thank you again for your time. I really appreciate you giving us the time and uh giving so much for people to consider and uh hopefully they'll be grabbing their magnesium and uh and getting revitalized.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:34

Yeah, awesome. And thank you for the work you do. I mean, you're there in the front lines. I'm I'm enjoying the beach and all the rest of it. I don't have to sit with patients anymore, and I really applaud you for hanging in there. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:51

Oh, thank you very much, and thank you too to our listeners for listening. And as always, um, if uh please like and share this podcast with those that may may benefit from it. This is how we get the word around. Sometimes when we, you know, when we speak about before the the media maybe not sharing things, this is our way of sharing things, so please share it with people that can benefit from it, and uh and that will truly be a great thing for everybody. So thank you again, and everybody have a great day, and we'll see you on the next uh episode of the Integrative Continuum. Good night. Thank you for joining me on the Integrative Continuum. I hope today's conversation gave you new insights and practical tools for your own health journey. If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe. Share it with someone who would benefit and leave us a review. It helps us spread this message further. Until next time, I'm Dr. Richard Rocker. Stay curious, stay empowered, and keep moving forward on your path to integrative health.